Interview with Avail - Podcast 47

Okay, hey, this is Bobo from Reveille. You're listening to the Sound Scene Revolution. Fuck it, sweet.

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on our very special Super Bowl edition of the show, unless you're listening to it after February 4th, in which case it's post-Super Bowl wrap-up edition. So we got it all covered. But this week we have a very special guest. We got Bo, or I guess Bobo. I don't know if he goes by both or single, but Bobo sounds more like a bear name, so I'm just going to call him Bo. From Reveille, on their very first stint on the West Coast, and in particular the Bay Area, in like five years. So we got a chance to sit down and talk with him about a bunch of fun stuff and everything from the band to the new album that may or may not ever come out to him being in the Navy and a bunch of fun crap like that. So you're definitely going to want to check it out.

Before we do that, we are going to play some tracks off of the newly remastered Avail CDs. These came out earlier in 2006, I believe. So you guys may want to check these out. We're going to play a track off of each one of the newly remastered tracks, and hopefully you guys will like that. As of right now, we don't have a contest. We may have one coming up, and if we do get something free to give away, all we'll do is we'll just pick somebody who's emailed us in the past, because we keep all those names. So if you want to email us and say hi, feel free, but you don't got to. All right, so before we jump into the interview, we're going to play a track going in chronological order. We're going to start with Dixie, and we're going to play Southbound 95 off of Dixie, and stay tuned for the interview.

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We're hanging outside of The Catalyst with... Bobo from Avail. We're actually outside of Hula's or something. Yeah, we're outside of another restaurant because we need the power from Sound Guy and Airman's car at the moment. But we're hanging out with Bobo from Avail. So if you'd like to say hello. Hello, it's me. All right, fantastic. Thank you for taking the time. Sure. First question, I guess. Everybody who's here tonight probably fucking... No one's here for like 15 minutes. Yeah, and then we start talking, and it goes. All right. Anyhow. All right, so first question. Yeah, the first question probably everyone wants to know, you could spend, like, how many years now since you've been to West Coast? Like five years now?

Yeah, it's been like about five. What's taking you guys so long? Honestly, kids and wives and mortgages and kind of a... Not as much of a drive to come out here. Yeah. It's harder to get out here now, you know? Yeah, definitely. At least for us it is. Yeah. Well, you guys being from Richmond, it's kind of a little across-the-country drive. Yeah, it's a little jaunt. A little bit. You mentioned mortgages. You guys, I'm assuming, all must-work full-time jobs or part-time at least. Yeah, actually. Joe owns his own... What is it called? His own carpentry contracting business, and Tim works for the Richmond Ballet and does a lot of rigging and stuff like that. That makes much more sense than what I originally was thinking.

Yeah, I'm a bartender. Guam's a courier, drives trucks and stuff. Oh, wow. And Ed actually teaches kids art and does a lot of art. Wow. And then he also works at a restaurant, too. Interesting. It's really easy to work at a restaurant in Richmond. Yeah? Oh, yeah. It's really easy. Why? What's so easy about that? Well, actually, it's not that easy to get the job, but once you have the job, you're there. Really? Yeah, because everything's independently owned there. Wow. Yeah, you're not going to... Well, maybe in Santa Cruz, not so much the rest of the area. Yeah. It's good. If I ever want to get a job in Richmond, I'll make sure to look to a waiter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't get fired. Yeah, you pretty much... Once you actually get in, you really can't get fired.

Fucking excellent. One job that'll accept my mediocrity. Exactly. Next question. It's been probably about, what, three years now since your guys' last album. Almost four now? Yeah, probably. Something like that. You guys been working on it long? Well, we wrote a bunch of stuff, and we weren't necessarily happy with it, with all of the stuff. We're retardedly democratic about that kind of stuff. Whereas, if one person just doesn't like the song, even if everybody else is stoked on it, we just won't do it. So, I mean, there was a lot of stuff we had. We probably had 13 songs at the beginning of last year. Oh, wow. And we just really weren't happy with all of them. Like, we could have put them out, and it's just, but why?

I mean, the big thing is we're at an age and a type of music that we're never going to sell a million records. We're never going to be the next Green Day or Aiden or whatever those goofy makeup bands are. So, I mean, you know, why bother? Why try to kill ourselves when we just would rather prefer to put out music that we enjoy? Yeah. Makes sense. I mean, we'll put something on eventually, or we won't. I mean, it's, you know. One way or the other. Yeah, we're not really pressed for it. So, we're enjoying what we're doing. And, I mean, for the longest time, Avail was our life, and now we actually have lives outside of Avail. Yeah. It's kind of unique balance. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For the longest time, this is what we did, you know.

This is our, we started out as a band that was having fun, and we just went out and played, you know, so-and-so's basement, and then every now and then we'd get this huge show, like, basically, you know, the place we're playing now. Yeah. And then it became, like, a full-time job, and you had to worry about, you know, points and, you know, the venue and all this other stuff, and then we got really tired of that. So, now we're just more back into, we don't care about anything. We're just playing to have fun. Yeah. That's cool. So, it's probably, I mean, got to be less stress for you guys on that. Oh, yeah, definitely, definitely. It's a lot easier on, like, Bye!

Bye! It's a lot easier, like, on our mental well-being, basically. Yeah, I couldn't tell, but she sounded terrified. Yeah, yeah, she looked, and she was like, oh, what are these weirdos doing right now? They have microphones. They've been recording us talk about our husbands. Oh, I totally blank. I have the attendance, I have the memory of, like, a two-year-old. Right, you live in California, you're, like, predisposed to smoke weed or something like that, so. Yeah, we all have ADD out there. Yeah. So, dude, do you remember what we were talking about, Norman? Yeah, putting out records, and putting out what you want. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember that much, and he was talking about how they weren't doing it, you know, they were just doing it for fun now.

All right. Sweet, yeah. All right. I didn't forget too much. No, no, no, no. Okay. You just forgot where you were. Yeah. We'll cut that. Luckily. No, we won't. You won't listen anyway, what does it matter? Yeah, I won't know. You'll tell me, we'll cut it. All right, so one of the things you guys have done recently, though you haven't put out a new album, is you re-released all your old stuff on Lookout, right? Yeah, we released everything that was on Lookout on a friend label, Jade Tree. Now, was there a reason for the move from Lookout that you guys can discuss? Yeah, yeah. Basically, what happened was is that Lookout didn't pay us for a couple years, and they kind of, they were having monetary problems with the label in general, and when they stopped paying us, we kind of were cool about it for about a year and a half or so, and then finally we were just like, all right, okay, you're not paying us, and they stopped pressing our records, and we're just like, okay, I know we're friends, and I know we've had a relationship for a really long time, but we have to be able to, if and or when we go out on tour, we have to be able to sell records.

I mean, that's the bread and butter is merchandise. You don't make any money off your shows. So basically, we called our friend Darren. We've known Darren from Jade Tree since he was in a horrible, horrible band called Railhead, and they opened for us, and they just happened to put out a bunch of records that were great, and we've been friends with him our whole lives, and we're like, hey, you made me want to, you know, you think? He's like, absolutely, man. So it's really funny, like, our guy that, like, our, I guess that's like our A&R guy, I guess, for Jade Tree is Dave Wagonshoots, you know, and we've known Wagonshoots since before Lifetime, so it's just, you know, it's like, hey, you guys want to put out a record on the label?

Yeah, we put it out? Yeah, sure. Okay, cool. Done. You know, it was just, it was basically just not being able to tour and have records. I mean, there's no real hard feelings or resentment towards Lookout, but it just needed to be done. The same reason we left Lookout in the first place to go to F.A.T., it was just something that they actually couldn't fulfill, and we had tried to work with them, and they were more interested in the Donna's and Mr. G experience than us, so that's fine. And that's the way it works. Yeah, they got their priorities, you guys got your words. Yeah, exactly. Fair enough. Now, you guys, there's a whole bunch of, I actually already own the albums, and I went out, like, every other nerd.

Hey, check me out, I'm ringing. I mean, sorry.

Nah, it's just work, fuck them. So, what's up? But, you guys, I went out like every other collector nerd, and I bought, of course, three issues. I think they're cool, man. Yeah, yeah. They're a lot cooler than the way we did them originally. Yeah, I was gonna, you guys, there's a whole bunch of, like, new art with them, and all the, you know, bonus tracks, the live stuff. Backstories and stuff on stuff. Yeah. Yeah, I think, I mean, the guy that did the record, that, like, redid all the artwork and everything, it's just, he was ridiculous. He put out a show, like, right after they came out, and he lives in Kentucky. And, you know, of course, we came out, we were totally grateful, but we were like, man, we should have asked you if you wanted to do this before, because our artwork is just stupid.

I mean, we wrote out a veil in cursive, and then we wrote out Dixie in cursive, and had this little stupid little thing, and that was, you know, that was our grand scheme of things, you know? So, I mean, yeah, I mean, they're amazing. And then you put them all together, and on the splines, there's a Dixie guy, and on the other side, there's, you know, the eagle. I don't know, I think it's neat. But I was actually excited about it. I'm so popular right now. I know, dude. It's weird. It never happens that way. See, it's always during the interviews that everyone, now all of a sudden everyone wants to talk to you. Exactly. All the, you know, all the 40-year-old women want to gossip in front of us. And it's, we instantly make you more popular.

Well, thanks. I mean, I'm sure it's this long-lasting podcast you have. Oh, yeah, it's been the oldest of the genre. Like we were saying before, you turn the mics on, you don't have to be good, you're just the oldest. Yeah, that's all. It's got to be, you know, been there the longest, now we've got some standing. But moving on, talk more about you guys. Yeah. You guys are from the Richmond area, right? Yeah. And I noticed you guys and a lot of other bands from, like, Virginia and the South in particular seem, like, proud of that. And they seem to represent that a lot more than bands that you're going to find from, like, Washington or even, for the most part, California. You think? I would think so. Well, I mean, think of all the SF, San Francisco bands.

We're from California. We're from New York City. Yeah. We're from Chicago. There are some, but, like, I don't know. You know what I think it was? I think it is. It was and it is. I think, especially with us, we were one of the first bands that were like, we don't care what you think. We're from the South. We like where we're from. We like small towns. We enjoy this. We're playing music that people that, at least from the small towns in the Southeast, can completely identify with. Yeah, yeah. And it wasn't that we did it on purpose. That was just how it worked out. And I think a lot of bands, and I won't say this, but I think that, you know, just like you guys, we were one of the first to actually say it. So I think it actually kind of became cool to be from, you know, Richmond.

Or it became cool to be from, like, Toledo. Or it became cool to be from, you know, San Jose. I guess it's, we're not trying to be anybody that we're not. We're not trying to say, you know, oh, yeah, we're from Washington, D.C. Because we're not. We're from Richmond, you know. And there's a lot of bands that came out of it. I mean, you've got to think, like, White Cross, Gwar, Alternatives that were on SST. So many SST bands came out of there and didn't get it recognized. I mean, White Cross is Greta, and Greta plays with Moby now. And, you know, she's never going to get recognized for being in that genre. I mean, Four Walls Falling was a huge East Coast straight edge band. They're never going to get recognition from it.

And you've got to think, like, once everybody started saying, fuck you, we're from Richmond, there's Strike Anywhere. Born Against moved down there for a while. Spitboy moved down there for a while. You know, there's Lamb of God. There's Strike Anywhere. There's all, you know, River City High, even though I hate them. There's tons of bands that came out of there that are just like, yeah, we're from this small town in Virginia, and we actually have a music scene. You know, it might not be San Francisco, it might not be New York, but fuck you, we like it better anyway. Cool. It seems to have worked out. Yeah, it worked out really well. All right, we're going to take a break right there in the middle, or, you know, middle there's about in the interview, to play some more Veil tracks.

And if you can, really appreciate how hard this interview was, because it was freezing the fuck cold out there, and we were sitting on the cold concrete by a fucking sound guy in Airman's car, who was all inside with the heat going, and we didn't have the heat. Me and Bobo were fucking outside, freezing our asses off. Well, people tried continually to get into this restaurant we were near. Literally, the restaurant, I guess, closes at like 7, and it was like 7.20, and no less than half a dozen people tried to get into this restaurant. Like, they just came up and pulled on the door, and the sign was posted that it was closed, and, God, Santa Cruz people are fucking illiterate. Anyhow, we're going to jump back into the interview in a minute.

Before that, we're going to play a track off of 4 a.m. Friday, the remastered version, out on JTree. We're going to play the track Tuesday, so check it out, and be sure to listen. We've got some announcements at the end of this show that I want you guys to listen for.

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Do you guys notice a difference between, like, I mean, there's got to be from being where you guys are from to coming out across the country, like in people or just in general? I mean, I reckon when we first came out, yeah, it was really, really strange. I mean, because when we first came out to this coast, it was like, you know, 15, 17 years ago, you know? And the fact that you couldn't, you didn't have cell phones. You had, like, a photocopied list from your buddy's band that, you know, this guy set up a show in so-and-so's basement, and you just called him and said, hey, we're this dumb band from Virginia that you think maybe you could hook us up. So, yeah, it was a lot different now. But now with, like, you know, podcasts, cell phones, the internet, it's not that strange anymore, you know?

And it's not hard to do anymore, and I think that kind of takes away a little bit from some of the music and some of the integrity. It sounds weird, especially coming from a punk rock dancer, like the integrity of, you know, being able to struggle and put out a record, struggle to get on tour, so. I don't think it's that different anymore. When I first came out here, it was just fucking weird. I'm sure I looked like a flaming asshole when I first came out here, so they had no idea what I was doing, so I had no idea. I didn't, what, did you just call me bra? You know, I don't understand that stuff. What are you talking about, dude? You just called me an article of female clothing. That makes no sense. So, I mean, they don't understand bubba, but, you know, now people do.

It's just easier. Yeah, definitely. I mean, imagine with the internet and everything else, it's easier for cultures from across the country, like you were saying. And it's easier to go overseas. It's easier to go to Europe. It's easier to do all these things where, you know, and it's so strange that you could be a band now and have, you know, 10 million hits on MySpace, you know, and have like a million downloads from your stupid MySpace page, you know, and you're 17 years old, and you haven't graduated high school, and you have a million selling copies, and you're touring all over the world. Who does that? I mean, even bands that everybody, even though I hate the bands, even bands like The Beatles and stuff like that never did that shit, you know?

They struggled for years, so, I don't know. It's the integrity that was being lost, punk rock scene. A lot of the, like a lot of the older artists, like we had mentioned, Dr. No, they say the same thing, and it's just, it's not necessarily it's good or bad, it's just so different. It's just the way it works now, yeah. You know, and it's so different than like, you know, 20 years ago, like you said, you just, you know, have a list of fucking people to call, and hopefully you show up in a town. And hopefully they didn't move, you know? Or hopefully their mom still lets them have shows in their, you know, in their kitchen, or whatever it was, you know? Yeah, from the, you know, three weeks ago where you left your hometown to get here, you know, something hasn't happened.

You save for six months, and it's just to, you know, sell everything you own, your record collection, just to be able to put enough gas in the broken down van, you know, that has no heat or AC or windows, you know, to drive into New Orleans in the middle of the summer and play up in front of our living room, you know, like that's what we did the first time we were there. Yeah. Well, I was going to say, you guys are known for your live shows. Like, everyone I talk to who's seen you has like said your live shows are super intense and super like energetic. Has there been like the craziest thing that's happened at one of your shows? Has there been anything in particular that stands out? Oh, there's been just ridiculous amounts of stuff.

I mean, from people trying to fight me in Norfolk, like German Nazi skinheads, you know, like actual Germans that, you know, were off the boat and, you know, trying to fight us. They were just hanging out. They just came to the show because, you know, there's skinheads and skinheads and punks and whatever, blah, blah, blah. You know, from trying to get yanked off a stage in Europe the first time we went over there to falling off a stage and breaking three ribs and then having the tour for another week and a half. Wow. It's just, you know, like Tim getting, us getting in a huge fight in Munich and losing and, you know, Tim peeing blood for days. And, I mean, there's this tons, getting snowed into the drummer for Born Against House for, you know, four days in the middle of New Jersey with this weird, crazy emo band that we didn't really get along with that well, but we were snowed in.

You know what I mean? There's so much that goes on. I mean, we played the first time we ever came to California, we had this band open for us because it was our show and there was like 60 people and it was like maybe like an hour outside of San Francisco and we were stoked. It was so much fun. We had this great time and the band's name was Rancid and nobody knew who they were. You know? So, I mean, like there's crazy shit like that all the time, but it's just so numerous now that it's just, now we just goof on each other and it's like all the dumb shit just all inside jokes with us, you know? I mean, our live show is just, it's a show that we, at least me, like I don't play shows for you guys. Yeah. I don't care if you like it.

I really don't. I want to have fun. You know, that's my having fun. I don't, and I think we kind of all, we kind of all want people to have fun, but at the same time, we really don't care. Yeah. I mean, we really never did and it's just about having fun. I mean, if you can go to,

hang out and, you know, meet people and have a good time at a show, that's really what it should be. It shouldn't be, you know, we put in a good performance, our makeup was correct, you know, it should be all that stuff. I think, I imagine if you're just worried about how everyone else is reacting, it's just going to be shitty every now when you get on stage. Trust me. There was a small amount of time, probably about three months, where we actually were worried about that kind of stuff and it was the most miserable time because it's just like, it wasn't fun. Yeah. You know, why do it? It's not fun. No, I do it. You know, you don't masturbate because you don't like it. Yeah. I masturbate for a lot of reasons and certainly not because I don't like it.

Exactly. Awesome, awesome. All right, well, I want to ask, this is actually just something that I want to know. Of course, one of your trademarks, of course, is your beer. Yeah. And I got to ask, I'm sure you've been asked before, how long have you been growing? Oh, a couple of weeks. Not long. Just a few days before tour, you just don't shave. It's really weird because like in Richmond, you can get them at the dollar store. And then you get 99 cents. It's $1.05 after tax. I actually haven't shaved my chin since 1990. Oh, wow. But I cut about a, I trim it like four or five times a year. Yeah. So I cut about a foot off a year. Wow. So it's about 14 inches long and if I cut it off, it took me about a year and a half to grow out.

I'll probably never get rid of it. It's just there. Yeah. And I don't even know why I have it anymore. It's just me. Yeah. It's part of me. I don't think, I could probably shave it off and walk into Fat Records and we've known them for 10 years and they'd have no idea who I was. They'd be like, wait. And you're like, no, hold on. No, for real. Look, watch. Here, let me just pull up the cardboard cutout and pretend that there's something. Oh, hey, Bo. Yeah. I don't know. It's just, I was actually in the military and I had to shave every day and then when I got out, I was like, I'm never fucking shaving again. I could see it. You were in the military? I was in the Navy. Really? For how long? Two years. Wow. Yeah. That's, I don't know, it just seems so weird from your personality.

Yeah, believe it or not, I got the good old Southern boy treatment where you fucked up in high school and you're either, basically, you're either gonna go to court and go to jail or you're gonna join the military. So I joined the military. That's weird that they're like, yeah, you can go to jail or the military. Well, you know, it was kind of one of those. It wasn't as rough as that but that's basically the equivalent of what happened. Wow. So, I mean, good old boy network, you know, 25 years ago was, you know, that's the way it worked. Oh, well. It doesn't seem to affect you too adversely. No, I actually enjoyed it. I don't speak on it on a band level but on a personal level I thought it was probably one of the best things that ever happened to me.

Yeah? I mean, I have tons of opinions on it, so, so, you know, it's the way it works. I remember what we were talking about there. Yeah. It was the military. Yeah, yeah. I'm gonna pat myself on the back there. But, all right, one of the things I want to ask is there's, Tim has a solo album out and I don't want to talk too much about that because he's coming through next month and if I really want to I'll talk to him. Exactly. But, that being said, you're gonna remember about it anyway. No, I'm gonna ask you on a degree. Okay. You guys are on tour with the Draft. Right. Former members of Hot Water Music. Right. We have Chuck Regan who has a solo album. Right. If Chuck Regan and Tim Berry got in a drunken fight, who would win? Okay, we have to set up this.

We have to set this up on many different levels. Okay, have they been drinking? Yes. Okay. Are there members of either band or both bands present even though they're being solo acts? I would have to say Avail would be present. The rest of the Hot Water Music. Chuck would lose. Yeah. If nobody was around I think Chuck would win only because Tim wouldn't really want to do it because we've known him for so damn long and Chuck has been known to get aggro when he drinks. So, I think Chuck might win only because Tim wouldn't do anything. Yeah. On the other hand, I think if Avail was around if anybody ever touched Tim I would absolutely lose my mind. So, that being said, he would lose that way. But that is, I mean, it's a really funny question but it's so unbelievably far-fetched.

Oh yeah, I mean, I'm sure it's not something that would ever happen. But it's definitely funny. I guess, I mean, there's so many different variables when it goes into it so you have to, you know, get it all set down. It's like a bet. You've got to make sure everything's right. Get everything, you know, like a scientific experiment. You've got to have the controlled variables and let it run like that. Well, if it does ever happen and whatever the outcome is I could say I had an opinion to be careful. Okay, and it'd be really funny if they were both sober and they just got in a fight and they went on tour and just got in a fight and none of us were around because we'd hear rumors forever. Dude, they were bullshooting heroin and I don't know what was going on but like Tim had sex with some dude that's like his Chuck's sister's best friend's uncle and anyone come back to us so fucked up and so skewed it would be amazing.

It'd be on the internet like the next day. The people would be reenacting it on YouTube or whatever it is.

Yeah, we would podcast about the fight in our own words. Play-by-play commentary a week and a half later. Right. It'd be totally worth it. All right. Well, I think we're going to wrap that up because I'm losing feeling in my fucking fingers. I don't want to see this horrible band Cruiser Unicorn because they're my friends from Fury 66 and it's the worst name I've ever heard in my life. Oh, they're from Fury 66? Yeah, yeah. Oh, okay, because I knew Joe had Static Revolution. Yeah, it's a couple guys from Fury. Oh, wow. I did not know that but I did know I wasn't a fan of the name but maybe I'll check it out. It's just a fucking stupid name and trust me, when I go back to Virginia with a fucking shirt that says Cruiser Unicorn on it, people are going to have no idea what it is and I'm not going to tell them I'm going to make shit up.

You don't know? Dude, you don't know about that, man? It's like this weird drug that they do out there. It's kind of like they take paint and then like nail polish remover and throw it into a bag and it's like they huff it for a second but then once it solidifies they rub it in their eyeball. It's really weird. Now that you've said that someone's actually going to be like, that's a great idea. God, I hope so. We can only be so lucky. Exactly. All right, before we take off is there anything you want to say? Plug, websites, anything like that? I mean, obviously that's the available website. There's the stupid MySpace pages. Nah, no. Nah, that's about it. Nah, big deal. There's a bunch of stupid rednecks from Virginia to play punk rock.

Big deal. Nothing wrong with that. All right, cool. All right, man, I want to thank you for taking the time. Absolutely. All right. Thank you. Take care. All right, so that wraps up the interview for this week. Like I said, we don't have a contest as of yet. We may get one going because we're going to write the labels and see if they want to hook us up. But, so, what we'll do in that case, if we do that, we'll just, eh, whoever's emailed us in the past will use one of theirs. So, a couple of really, really important announcements you guys have got to check out. First of all, we have finally upped the bitrate to shut people the fuck up who were crying about music not sounding good at like 96 or wherever we were at. We've upped it to 128, so it's a little bit longer to download, a little bit longer to stream, but it's probably a lot better quality I wouldn't know because I don't listen to our show.

I feel if I'm there when it happens, I have no reason to listen to it again. And besides, apparently I sound like I'm high when I talk and I really don't need to listen to some guy who's high talk for 35 minutes. So that's the announcement one. Announcement two, we are coming up on our 50th show, which is a big milestone for us considering we're both pretty much retarded and never thought we'd make it past five without setting something on fire. So for the 50th show, we're looking to redesign the site and some other stuff. So if you do any sort of graphics design or something and you want to design a logo for us, feel free to design a logo for SoundScene Revolution. Send it to us at soundscenerevolution at gmail.com and let us know if you were willing to let us use it for free or if there's a cost and we are willing to pay up to if not more than five to ten dollars.

Just let us know if you want a fee for it and if we really like it, we will discuss. Maybe we'll send you some free Baby Shambles CDs that they gave us. I know everybody fucking digs Baby Shambles. Oh god. They play on drums that are made of fucking oil cans, dude. What's not to love? Alright. So that wraps it up. If you guys want anything to say to us, send it to soundscenerevolution at gmail.com. If you or a friend is a graphic designer, make some logos, send that shit to us. No matter how bad it is, it's probably better than what we're using right now. So go for it. Alright, one last track. We're going to play something off Over the James, the remastered versions out on Jade Tree. We're going to play Lombard Street. Oh, and before you say anything, if you're curious, yeah, I did have all three of these albums originally.

I went out and re-bought them like a collector nerd and they're totally worth it. So you should do it. Yeah, this is Lombard Street off Over the James. It's Avail. Enjoy. See you next week.

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