Interview with Tim Barry - Podcast 51

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i probably shouldn't say that i'm gonna get a bunch of fucking shit email now from people who are like i hope you get aids on your birthday happy aids birthday but anyhow that's my birthday and uh to celebrate we are bringing you our actual 50th episode with tim barry now it's our actual 50th episode because episode number 10 was a best of episode with sound guy and airman if anything with sound guy and airman can be considered in fact the best of but uh since then we've done 40 episodes and none of them have involved the best of so maybe it's time we redo one but we'll see anyhow to commemorate the fact that we've actually done 50 new uh non-repeat episodes we're keeping our contests open one more week next week we're going to close a bunch of them so it's really important if you want to enter enter now so we got contests for only crimes album virulence we got the new mexican disaster squad where one person will get a print limited to one of 80 i believe done by the drummer of new mexican disaster squad one person will get a print uh sticker and then a copy of don't believe on vinyl and on cd and now uh i'm re-recording the central because we had kind of done it originally and not mentioned anything from suburban home because we weren't too sure we didn't want to put pressure on to give us stuff but uh virgil and kyle especially from suburban home hooked us up and so we have a drag the river contest if you are listening you definitely want to enter this if you're a fan of drag the river one person will get a drag the river t-shirt in medium it's non-debatable take it and shut up and a drag the river beer cozy the second winner will get a copy of drag the rivers uh new re-release closed a copy of their homo hobo demos on cd so those are both on cd you get a t-shirt you get the beer cozy and you get a pint glass so that's a huge huge contest now if you have either closed or the hobo demos let us know and we'll give those to somebody else but if you don't have either of them you get them both so you're a huge winner now this week we have a wonderful interview with tim berry great guy really interesting guy really one of the few people you'll ever meet who's in music for music like he makes no money at it he makes less money making music than i do at the podcast and that's all very little amount of money but uh he's an awesome guy he does awesome music you'll definitely want to check this out now likewise as his solo album revana junction is on suburban home they hooked us up with a shit ton of good stuff for tim berry we got a pint glass and a copy of revana junction for whoever wins this week's contest so be sure to listen to the last eight minutes or so to learn how to enter that if you want that we'll also we also have some stickers some uh samplers and stuff from suburban homes we'll be sure to stuff those in there as well so if you like drinking or if you like tim berry and if you like tim berry you probably like drinking uh be sure to enter this week's contest it's gonna be a doozy and next week we're gonna wrap up a bunch of them so be sure to enter all of them now because next week you're not gonna get the chance and then you're gonna be like the fucking chuck reagan cd where we get emails to this fucking day where they're like i know it's a little late but you still we don't have them we fucking gave that shit away and if we still had one we'd be selling it on ebay because apparently a lot of y'all want to get it so don't be emailing me in a fucking month asking me if we still have the pint glass and the t-shirt and the limited edition new mexican disaster squad shirts because we won't or prince whatever we won't have shit in a month you won't want to talk to us because we'll be poor again anyhow so coming up we got the interview with uh tim berry great guy a lot of fun check him out uh but first before we get into that we're gonna play a track off his debut full length called revana junction we're gonna play the song dog dog bumped which uh if you listen to the interview you'll find out where that song came from and uh it's uh it's informative it's what we do so check it out uh right here on sound scene revolution

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he laid his hand on my sister too many times and i was near and i shot him dead and i don't care uh what's going on we're hanging out outside uh the parkside it's two e's with uh tim barry hello it's tim barry whoop whoop parkside san francisco thug life i think that that about sums it up there that's it interview's done y'all have a good night we've wrapped it up let me go drink some more beer hello i'm tim barry this is my last song we appreciate your time that's right we could wrap it up there and probably be the best interview we've done thus far but um with a veil we've always wanted to we have one song that's called scuffle town yeah and the hook in it it's a beautiful day the sun's still shining over the james yeah and for years now we wanted to do one of our big richmond shows and walk out on stage it's one of our shortest songs like a minute and ten seconds it's one of our just walk out on stage and go hello we're avail this is our last song and just do the one minute and ten second song and bail there would be absolute chaos if you tried to do that or everybody be like that was amazing one of the two um i want to talk to you uh first of all you got a new solo album came out not that long ago on suburban home how did uh the concept for that one come about i don't really i'm not a conceptual person i just writing music is just like walking as opposed to me i don't know some people like it some don't but um uh let's be let's begin by saying that i don't know if if i would call it a solo album as much as a retirement plan because i'm in my mid-30s and the rest of the guys in the veil are too and all of them have kids not all of them have kids but all of them have kids and like old ladies and and uh houses and things like that i'm sort of the only one that's still uh rolling in my own fashion like single not celibate uh playing music riding freight trains getting drunk falling asleep with the river like not holding down a job so um because of that avail only tours maybe like two months a year maximum and i can't sit still for shit so this music that i've been making is sort of like music that i've always made and just decided to go ahead and start putting it out and playing it and now my sister accompanies me caitlin she plays violin with me and my buddy josh small and the sort of band is growing at some point it's gonna gonna have come up with some tim berry in the fuck nuggets or something i don't know it's not fair that it's just my name although you on the bell although although i write all the songs we collaborate now and then so i don't know we'll say you're the talent i don't know call it talent the talent my sister's got the talent josh small who plays with me he's got the talent i don't know what i got the songwriting i don't know if you could even call it songwriting but it is what it is i have fun with it very cool i was gonna ask uh i actually read when you recorded uh revana junction it was done a lot like you had just written these songs and then they would come in and they would kind of riff on it and they would put their own touches on it right yeah definitely i kind of like i really i think it's appropriate sometimes to force spontaneity and creativity on the spot and um so i consciously decided although nobody that played on the record knows this to not let any of them hear the songs because i play with my sister caitlin and josh small all the time jam sessions in the living room but i never played them any new songs i just didn't do it and then when when i started tracking and when we all got all the sounds set up i was just like let's go for this you know like let's do it and you know we did it you know some of this shit took a couple takes some of it was done in one but it's kind of fun next time i'm playing it out and coordinated yeah just see how that goes but i always like to mix it up you know i think it's important and it creates it leaves you like refreshed yeah definitely doesn't make maybe sometimes for the best music but i mean it's music is what it is i don't know how would you uh compare it to recording with like a veil or anything like that it wasn't regimented in any way it wasn't formatted the studio i recorded is a proper recording studio called a minimum wage but it's a block and a half from my house in a converted garage and uh well when you say garage i'm talking about like a carriage house like that used to house horses yeah everything out there is so old the neighborhood's so old but uh it's a really relaxed environment lance coler who i record with is just like a super friend and you know we go in some days and be like yeah this just doesn't feel right and you can't force that yeah so we just take breaks and it was really cool really low budget like i don't have much money i don't want to spend much so it you know it came out how it came out and i'm happy with it i suppose that's so that always helps if you're happy for the end product um i was gonna ask with a veil you worked with a lot of different labels you guys have been more with lookout fat records jay tree how did a suburban home kind of come about for uh well this whole all playing all this music it sort of was an accident so i'll go back just a bump where i went over to lance's place minimum wage and recorded a few songs for fun on my own just to try something you know instead of just sitting at my task cam four track cassette recorder at home i was like word i'll go over record lance did a few things and it was just for family and friends and then somehow it got out and people liked it which really surprised the shit out of me so i put it out on a german record label because i kept thinking this is a demo you shouldn't properly release a demo it's not really what you do a demo is just like to figure out some songs but then um so the demo started getting around too and some people enjoyed it and then uh so i started getting record labels uh coming to me and presenting their ideas hold on and uh it's all right but um yeah so record labels started coming at me and really i just always feel comfortable with small independent record labels and and virgil at suburban home contacted me and drag had just put out a record with them drag the river and they're close friends of mine and and uh i called some other friends that had worked with them before and everybody said great things and i don't want to be high profile in my life at all and suburban home was perfect for that because they they work hard they're a great record label they put my records out there where where they can and we work together without some sort of corporate backing and stupid advertising and and things that i would feel like sort of betray how i feel as a person so it's been wonderful that's cool i mean definitely if you can find a label that works with you know how you feel as a musician that always helps yeah yeah so it just came about as simple phone call virgil you're pretty cool guy let's talk a little more give me a couple weeks to think about it call him back all right virgil let's do this record i need a couple thousand bucks to record okay like that's it shake your hand on the telephone that's hard to get nowadays i mean even now all the indie labels want contracts and for everything so if you can find that that's pretty awesome and it's been going great so cool were you at all worried about how like avail fans were going to react i mean it's pretty different vein than what you've been doing i've never really thought too much about it um i try not to worry about things like that here's here's the simple and honest to god truth if you make music if you paint paintings you write books you do anything that's creative and you put yourself out there some people are going to like it some aren't and if you always keep that in mind your fragile ego won't be broken you know yeah um avail fans are very supportive people and uh i'm sure half of them at least hate the music that i've been making and i totally understand because it's not what they would expect or whatever but it become it's very natural to me the music is natural this is the music i grew up playing the music is essentially the same as punk except there's no distortion and no cut time drumming and you can take any bluegrass or folk or country or whatever you want to call it and and i can prove that if you can let me put it onto a higher tempo but uh you know you know again some people like it some don't and it's fine with me and it doesn't bother me either way that's cool um oh totally lost my place oh i was gonna ask uh i noticed that you have a there's mvd put out like a video of your stuff um you know about that what is mvd uh it's like music video distribution some company like that oh yeah i think they're licensed to uh think a thing called punker vision in the uk oh yeah yeah it was a uk show that they're doing now that came i heard news about that before uh van and junction even came out how did that seem to happen well i figured that if i was going to go ahead and try to play this folk music live i needed to learn how to play it live so i decided to go to europe and tour and play in front of germans and whatnot and so i went over there for a couple weeks and and toured europe by myself actually i had a back a german backup band but um at some point i was in london and uh pete and them from punker vision filmed the show and put out this dvd and uh i mean they did a wonderful job on a dvd but i just i play like shit it's and i'm just drunk the whole time you know and i'm not even trying to be cynical or like comical it's just like what it is it's like i'm ugly and i'm old and i can't watch myself on a video so it's like embarrasses me i'm like that's what i really look like that's what i talk like that's what you know what i mean like this is ridiculous but some people seem to like it and i i'm just completely thoroughly embarrassed a lot of people like it i mean it can't be that bad trust me we don't interview bands that suck yeah um one or two but one or two not not here hopefully one is tim and the other one's barry no no trust me i can say we've interviewed a lot a lot worse i don't know i i tend to find the worse you are and john from drag the river seems to validate this the worse you are the more records you seem to sell no well shit i you need to get worse that must be really good then i i think you are lee um all right um how is playing like kind of like this you got your sisters with you and uh josh mall yeah josh um how is this compared to like playing live with veil where you have like four four other guys it took a yeah it took a little while to get used to that's actually why i went over to europe because i'd done a handful of shows in the states and felt profoundly uncomfortable some of them i would just do by myself um and then josh stepped in and then caitlin stepped in as well um it took a little bit to get used to but the comfort level level boomed after josh and caitlin and i just continued to like play music at my house that has no relevance to the music we're playing tonight i'm talking just like doing traditionals like in the pines lead belly songs merle haggard songs uh john prine songs and just playing and getting to know how we all play together and often we do shows and go on tour without rehearsing once and it has nothing to do with laziness and it has everything to do with the fact that i got two extremely strong actual musicians backing me up and as long as i can sort of strum the guitar a little bit and sing it's those people who keep it in the pocket and i'm referring to josh and caitlin um so the transition was a little difficult i just finished an avail tour and and through here came right back out and started touring on my own and i can tell you the difference is this is a lot less stressful because avail tours are like up at seven at the club by three load in sound check you know like all this stuff and this is just like us fucking off like we were sitting in a parking lot drinking earlier you know what i mean just like whatever we're in san francisco let's drink you know like sounds like out of brown bags you know what i mean like tailgating i wasn't drinking because i had to drive but everybody else everyone else yeah right on that's good i mean sounds like you know at least it's comfortable you know yeah no matter what uh we're gonna take a break right there in the middle of the uh tim barry interview to bring you some news it's a 50th anniversary episode bitch that's right we have 50 episodes in the can including one best of episode technically it's our 51st but you know we didn't get to it last week and we're really celebrating this week i'm not wearing any pants sound guy nairman's ordering us a donkey show uh so it's a pretty good time overall uh i think you should be happy for us i know i'm excited it was actually all that gold everyone sent us after my request on the last interview we were able to afford all these things such as donkey show so uh anyhow we're gonna jump back into the interview be sure to listen at the end to enter all of our contests that are pretty freaking awesome we are going to play another track by mr tim barry in the meantime it's uh off his laurel street demos which were released in 2005 they're pretty fucking dope they're not as polished as his later album but they're pretty good uh we're gonna play the track no news from the north so uh be sure to listen to that and listen for the end for all the news and information on how to enter our contests

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stuff the first one i'm sure you guys get this well you get this a lot uh the song dog bumped uh where does that come from where is the theme of that song come from well the thing the thing about lyrical content is i can only tell you so much without really truly exposing stuff let me just tell you that that's that song is is real in theory but it's how do i explain this you don't get i mean if you don't it's it's it's it's it's almost a true story let's just say that a buddy of mine is fucking rotten in prison right now for 28 years all right let's just say that that's where that's where the content came from when i started penning it i don't really write songs i sit at the rivana subdivision where i drink beer at night by myself by a fire after work and watch the sun go down and i just sit there i write songs in my head and then i go home i don't write the lyrics they just show up and then i go home it doesn't happen every night but it happens sometimes i go home and i just start writing them down hearing chord progressions and like that song one quick minute got me 28 long years i do it again i don't regret it like just was like a hollow point bullet exploded in my head and i was like all right cool actually i gotta go to the house and write this down right now before i forget and i walk back up the hill or organ hill and uh when i started penning the the song out it was so obvious about what it was about that i was afraid that it would fuck with the legality of the situation i thought it would offend the family that somebody was capitalizing making a song about a tragedy yeah so i took it and twisted it and contorted it in a lot of ways but it was inspired by a true situation true and like and a deeply regrettable one but yeah i mean one of my oldest friends is impressive that's for until he's dead pretty much yeah well yeah i mean that's and what he did was justified yeah fair enough i mean that's just one of those ones i hear a lot of people ask about and people are like well it's obviously not about you and so yeah i just wrote it in first person no probably the easiest uh way to go about it um oh and i didn't write down the name of the song because the names of the songs are hard to remember on the the names that i've been riding freight trains since since i was in my early 20s and uh on every boxcar that you get on to ride there's a artist they call him a boxcar artist his name is buzz blur and he writes a moniker on each box cards like a chalk or oil uh drawing and it's just this little mark he leaves and he was he's a retired railroad worker he he draws this little cowboy hat with a beard and it's like going by on the train and and below each of his monikers is a quote and those quotes are church of level track dog bumped avoiding catatonic surrender when i ride trains i keep a pen and every time i see one of buzz blur's monikers i write down the quote and then i've collected hundreds of them and then when i write a song i find a quote that's relevant to the song and then that becomes the title oh and i i've i tracked him down i think he's in his mid 60s and he lives in arkansas and i sent him a handwritten letter and some music and asked permission to use his boxcar moniker icon quotes and he wrote me he drew me a picture which i framed and said that he enjoyed some of my songs and gave me permission to use his quotes that's awesome so i mean that's why they're difficult to remember but they're truly relevant to me oh yeah well i mean they're great titles but i mean you're right oh yeah i just smoked too much but uh actually you listed the one in there uh avoiding catatonic surrender at the beginning of that song when you guys were recording it it sounds like you say you fucking hate this song i was drunk i was just drunk i was recording and lance was like what'd you do avoiding i was like just drunk that's all it was i'm just babbling to myself i'm amazed you can fucking remember all those lyrics if you were drunk man i play the song a lot no that's one of those just like one take fuck it let's just do this you know like let's just make this happen right now my voice is raspy and fucked up and and it's sort of an ornery song you know like yeah like avoiding catatonic surrender like it just means i'm schizophrenic and not literally but like lyrically it's it goes to so many different places in every other line it's like it's just schizophrenia it's me fucking driving trucks which i was doing when i wrote it i always have to drive box trucks all over the place to pick up loads and drop loads for work and whatnot and i was stuck in fucking east brunswick new jersey in a hotel like fucking dropping off like a shit ton of lighting equipment for a theater company and there's the song just shows up there i am finished it fucking forgot about it and found it again you know that's awesome dude i mean there's i mean it sounds like there's stories at least behind all these songs it's not like you just sat down one day and had to crank out a song and you were like well oh i would never do that yeah i would never have any inclination to feel like i needed to write a song if somebody asked me to write a song i'd be like no you can't do that as long as you just find them yeah oh and you know what he got through used to say that you say you know there's plenty to write about if you actually look yeah and it's totally true like if you're a mundane trite person who spends who comes home from work and doesn't have anything to say and just watches tv and doesn't find any inspiration in anything you can't write any songs but if you spend your time on the road exploring looking around talking to people more importantly listening to people and like trying to be a good person you can find tons of shit to write about and i i tend to only surround myself by really inspiring people who do different things not music people they're fucking annoying as they get i can't can't stand a premature rock star or somebody with an ego about music it's irrelevant in my life and i have to stay as far away as i can from it but like i'm lucky enough to have like great friends that are homeless or like great friends who ride freight trains or you know like adam thompson here's here who's famous here for being ac thompson it's one of my oldest friends who's a writer now for the sf weekly who writes books jeremy spew who just showed up who's a national champion in jujitsu um ben sizmore who just walked by who's a fucking social worker you know like i'm lucky to be around all these different kinds of people poor rich you know like and they're they're all like they're inspirings and that's shit you can't go wrong yeah you just can't go wrong when you're around people like that that's cool man well i mean with all the music that comes out today that seems so fucking uninspired and just they had to write an album that was one thing everything i've read about your work and in my opinion it's regardless how you feel about it it wasn't written because like some guy sat down and was like i gotta write a fucking album it just it came to be yeah it's just what i mean it's just it's just natural to me just like it is for somebody who paints to feel inclined to see a landscape and paint it you know on a piece of canvas and then again it's like and then to share it with people and and people get all caught up on this financial shit oh the wrong time to put out cds nobody buys the shit anymore fuck i didn't write songs to like hide in a closet fucking burn them for each other tape them make tapes like like it's just music i'm never gonna make any money off of last year i made eleven thousand dollars and i did that all fucking through manual labor i didn't make any money for music there's not a lot of people who do anymore and ones who do aren't that fucking good so yeah you're in you're in the majority at least so uh oh i want to ask you were originally from the dc area right yeah i grew up in in reston virginia it's in northern virginia and then it's a shit hole you moved down to the richmond area right is that correct yeah i've been in richmond since 1989 i didn't have late 80s really yeah so like how is that like how do the areas compare like do you feel you're much more richmond like richmond's had much more of an impact in your life oh yeah absolutely but if if you walk through where where i lived in reston virginia right now you'd be like i can't believe this guy lived here but it was so different in the 70s and 80s like as a child as a youth that if you saw it then you'd be like oh this makes perfect sense it was such a different place um so it wasn't that big of a transition to go to richmond because it was really similar richmond was more industrial and rust belt-esque and uh very very poor the differences are like reston was really eclectic uh economically and and uh culturally where richmond was like majority black minority white and just a rougher place but you know richmond's my home and it has been since i got there i don't even bring up reston it doesn't make any sense to me and the way it's changed let's just say this two years ago i went back to see my mom and i couldn't find the house i grew up in at all wow like there's so many roads there's so much stuff there's so many strip malls it looked like la and it's number two in traffic to la now oh more than virginia's and uh i like that makes no sense i just don't even know what happened to the place that i grew up so much more richmond but no i mean richmond's home it's just it's it's i mean my sister lives there my brother lived there you know like the only person my mom's the only one who's not down yeah actually my brother moved up to new york but yeah uh i wanted to ask you mentioned uh jumping like freight cars and jumping on trains and i've read tons of things i've read mentioned that you've done that for a large part of your life how did that like come out was it just something like you wanted to try or was it like added necessity to get from point a to point b let's say this first of all i don't want to talk about trains too much because it's been sort of this uh this uh bullet point or like angle that writers have been writing about like they always want to talk to me about freight train ride and i don't endorse people doing it because it's dangerous you get fucking put in jail and you fuck it up for the rest of us when you're stupid and you show up in the train yards and try to hop a freight train and i can't tolerate it um so i don't endorse anybody doing that i beat the shit out of people who fucking show up like i don't even give a fuck no mercy don't come in my train yard and fuck up my spot or you'll fucking get your ass kicked because i'm not judging that folks for people that need to do it like you know get from somewhere to somewhere well for me it's not necessity it's it's it's a it's a it's a normal day way of life or whatever but uh um let's just say this i'll wrap it up in a nutshell you know this is going to a time when there was no cell phones or computers and and uh in the early 90s and i would i i i grew up with folk music folk my dad listened to classical my mom listened to folk so arlo guthrie woody guthrie all that kind of stuff was on rotation and at at home in richmond i listened to woody guthrie all the time he always talked about trains he's always singing about trains hopping trains hoboing and i'm like what is this crap you know like there's no train tracks near my house and then in richmond i'm like well there are the trains what he's talking about and i'd sit there and watch them nobody rode them i didn't see anybody riding them but i'd see hobo camps i'd see fucking fires that had just gone out and obviously somebody had just hopped a train and uh you know anyway i i got interested a buddy of mine who lived in a trailer park in salisbury maryland his uncle had taught him to to ride and he passed it down to that buddy of mine that buddy of mine passed it down to me so we started riding freight then cool and we still ride freight yeah i mean i imagine it's one of those things you i mean there's got to be people who just think you show up and jump on a train but obviously it's not that fucking simple people ride freight trains to drop out they don't ride freight trains like a lot of these folks do for fame and stuff like that they do it to drop out i do it to drop out that's my sister oh okay well uh i think uh that's about it i want to thank you for your time oh you got anything you want to plug i mean you got the album that's out a website anything like that no i never plug anything for me because i'm a fucking dipshit but um josh small who plays music with me uh i'm producing his first album in march here in oh seven that will come out on suburban home records awesome josh small to note is a better songwriter a better singer than me and a million years so yeah that's big you to say but no it's true it's i mean it's truth i don't say anything that ain't true i mean it comes out you're doing it in march so it'll be out by june 5th or june 29th that's the goal awesome well we'll all we'll look forward to that i mean hopefully it does well hopefully all right man thanks thank you keep it the sf all right so that wraps up our interview this week i think it was pretty good i think you'll agree uh quite a landmark for the 50th episode um yeah i was pretty impressed tim barry nice guy kind of scary because i think he could kill me with his bare hands um but i don't think he would unless he had to or unless i owed him money which i don't so go check him out buy all of his stuff buy his cds buy his t-shirts because that motherfucker makes no money off of music and that's not me trying to be a dick that's me repeating what tim barry has told me he makes no money off music so help him out because i want to have him release another album and i know you do too he's like my ugandan child to my sally struthers so uh anyhow my 35 year old ugandan child in virginia um we're gonna play one more track oh before we get to the track off his album it's our 50th episode and for that we're gonna wrap up all our contests going on this week and so in a big foul swoop to enter our contest we have our only crime contest is still open our new mexican disaster squad super prize pack contest is open our drag the river contest is open and now our tim barry contest is open go to those interviews and listen to the last eight minutes to learn how to enter so to enter the tim barry contest tim barry talks about how these tracks were named on his album he took them off the sides of box cars that uh ran through the ravana junction near where he lived they were artwork done by a particular man if you were to name your songs after anything that was already written what would you get them written half off of for example if you were to take your songs from let's say the quizno's menu and you were to have a track called sierra smoked turkey and italian cabanara and um i don't know the grilled cheese and tuna melt what would your tracks be where would they be from they could be from anywhere street signs any shit like that but we just got to make sure you're listening it doesn't matter how good it is so take that slap that bitch in an email send it to us at soundscenerevolution at gmail.com put tim barry contest in the subject line of your email send us your name address pertinent information anything you may need think we need for the contest and uh we'll enter you in it and we will pick a winner and it's that simple it takes two minutes of your time if that and you can win some really cool shit for free so uh quit being such a lazy bastard and complaining about how poor you are because you live in your mom's basement because you can't afford to live on your own because how are going to be able to afford to go to all the sci-fi conventions if you have to pay rent not that i'm talking about anyone in particular mr live in your mom's basement going to the sci-fi conventions and you're 35 years old nothing weird there anyhow that wraps up this week's show i hope you guys enjoyed it we're 50 deep um which just sounds like old people sex at least a name for an old people sex dvd that's our next prize we're gonna give a copy of 50 deep but um i hope you guys enjoyed this week's episode uh we've loved doing it we'll probably be together a best of coming up um if you guys have any clips you want to see in a best of which i'm sure you don't but if you do let us know and we'll slap that shit together for you uh have a good one and we'll see you all next week

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